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Material question

Post by forgeflow » Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:37 am

This question may or may not make a lot of sense, but I though I'd ask it to see if anyone could point my thinking in the right direction.

Recently I was asked to produce a rendering of a globe where the continents were given some "thickness", and the globe itself was to resemble a frosted glass ball. I did the rendering in Cinema 4D, and my solution to the "thickness" problem was to use the same alpha transparency map on a series of nested spheres, each one ever so slightly smaller than the next, to give the impression that the continents had thickness. Here is an example of the final render (rendered with C4D's AR):
globerender4.jpg
thickness faked and rendered in C4D's AR.
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My question is: Can this kind of thing be done in Indigo's material setup where an image map can be used to "carve" out where a material is solid, and where is its absent (or simply "air") to achieve this same effect in a single, solid object?

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Re: Material question

Post by PureSpider » Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:10 am

Yes: create your blue material, create a blend material and use your alpha map to blend your blue material with null.

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Re: Material question

Post by fused » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:58 am

PureSpider wrote:to blend your blue material with null.
to blend with null, you dont set a material in the material link file in the blend channel :)

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Re: Material question

Post by forgeflow » Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:43 am

Fiddling around with this, I came to the conclusion that it is not possible to carve or subtract from the volume of an object using image maps, which was what my question was about, originally. I found that the best solution was just to model the continents (using photoshop, illustrator, and a few snazzy tricks in Cinema 4D). This is my preliminary Indigo result:
earth_alpha_shift_6k.jpg
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Re: Material question

Post by galinette » Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:21 am

It could be possible to do this with displacement maps and a high level of subdivision.

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Re: Material question

Post by Borgleader » Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:25 am

Wow thats pretty epic :)
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Re: Material question

Post by suvakas » Sun Apr 04, 2010 1:19 am

Just a test.
Displaced phong blended with glossy glass material. I took the 1st Earth texture that Google gave me so it's not very high quality.

Ps. Image upload is broken. Ben? Fused? Could you check?

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Re: Material question

Post by forgeflow » Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:24 pm

Well... I tried the displace method, and it works... except there is a visible seam running up the side of the object where the image wraps around.

Since image upload isn't working, here's a link to an example: http://dev.marketingden.com/images/eart ... splace.jpg.

And my project files: (C4D format, but the images should work with anything) http://dev.marketingden.com/images/continents.zip

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Re: Material question

Post by Pibuz » Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:12 am

Hey Suv: could you post the textures along with a mat creation short explaination?

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Re: Material question

Post by Zom-B » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:30 am

forgeflow wrote:Well... I tried the displace method, and it works... except there is a visible seam running up the side of the object where the image wraps around.
Using Smoothing in Indigo SubDiv is buggy!
http://www.indigorenderer.com/forum/vie ... f=5&t=6619
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Re: Material question

Post by forgeflow » Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:28 am

The smoothing seems to be OK. Without it, the globe takes on a weird faceted look. I had neglected to check off Wrap U, Wrap V. Seems to be working well now. :)

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Re: Material question

Post by Zom-B » Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:31 pm

maybe your smoothing errors now occurs on the back of the planet :lol:
Without smoothing there is no smoothing of course( :lol: ) and the mesh looks faceded...
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